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Matt Is The Best Member	posted 01-10-2001 02:54 PM Fill in the blank with whatever comes to your mind first: Life...... I'll start... Life is so intertwined with difficulties that we sometimes lose sight of the glimmers of hope, however faint. But sometimes it is important to remember that only when it is dark enough, with pitch blackness surrounding you on all sides, can we truly see the stars. Then, having seen the few things that we do have, we become gradually more grateful for all that we do have. IP: Logged
FutureMrs.Affleck Member	posted 01-10-2001 02:58 PM Faith by: Emily Dickinson Faith is a fine invention when gentlemen can see but microscopes are prudent in an emergency The Red Wheelbarrow By: William Carlos Williams So much depends...upon A red wheel...barrow Glazed with rain...water Beside the white...chickens IP: Logged
Matt Is The Best Member	posted 01-10-2001 03:04 PM lol fma, i will NEVER understand, and i repeat NEVER understand why people think Dickenson was so deep in his poetic works..... Same goes to William Carlos William.... lol Our english teacher was like, Dickenson is soooooo complex....... Whatever, lol, if I submitted that poem to Sequel, they'd give me a 0 % lol No hope of being published.... IS that all they think women are capable of... lol IP: Logged
FutureMrs.Affleck Member	posted 01-10-2001 03:10 PM I agree, and the thing that makes me mad is that just because some piece of literature is old, it's already assumed that we have to like it. Why? Just because something is old, doesn't mean it's a brilliant work of art. I mean, if you have a differing opinion about Catcher in the Rye, that's your opinion and you are entitled to feel that way regardless of the fact that it may be viewed as an excellent work by others. IP: Logged
Matt Is The Best Member	posted 01-10-2001 03:15 PM LOL, catcher in the rye... I agree with you 100% (ehhhhhhh, maybe 75..... lol lol j/k) That book supposedly represented all of us teenagers, how we are SUPPOSED to feel... but lol, quite frankly it scares me if ALL of us are supposed to grab our chests and pretend like our damn guts are falling out every time someone yells at us.... IP: Logged
Sachet Member	posted 01-10-2001 03:21 PM Ah, hum, little gels, little gels, as a former high school English teacher, I shall tell you why. So (tap, tap) listen up! The people who laud these poets just happen to know more about what makes good poetry and what makes pap than you do. It's a matter of experience, exposure, and curiosity. The question you should (assuming you're actually interested in the answer) be asking is to your English teacher. Make him/her TELL you WHY these two poets are considered great. If they don't know (there is a lot of literature--one isn't necessarily expert in all of it), challenge them to find out and convey it so that you may learn. Education is, contrary to popular belief, a partnership between student and teacher. Do your part and expect your teacher to do his/hers. Then, and only then, once you've developed the discrimination and skill that are part of literary criticism, does your opinion actually count. Thinking it does with so little background is actually robbing yourselves. Don't do it, ladies. Stake your claim! For now, all you can really say is that you don't get it or it doesn't resonate within your spirit. That is not to say that state of affairs will continue to be true if someone unfolds the hidden brilliance before you. Anyone care to do Frost? [This message has been edited by Sachet (edited 01-10-2001).] IP: Logged
AsRiaL Member	posted 01-10-2001 03:43 PM Sucks? IP: Logged
FutureMrs.Affleck Member	posted 01-10-2001 04:05 PM Sachet- I understand what you're saying, but I just don't understand how you learn to like something. I mean, isn't that like brainwashing, or like forcing you to like something just because others do? I may take mathematics, but that doesn't mean I've learned to like it. I still have a distaste for it. Education, in my humble opinion, is not necessarily something which results in your liking something else. Sure you become educated and learned about the subject, but that is not the same thing as liking it. There will always be different opinions about works of literature, just as there are different opinions about ideas in mathematics and other subjects. While I know that the critics who acclaim these works know more than I do, and I don't pretend to know as much, I don't see how one can allow literature to grow on oneself. Shouldn't you look at literature and formulate your own opinion? IP: Logged
Lune12 Member	posted 01-10-2001 05:25 PM Here here for Sachet! IP: Logged
Lune12 Member	posted 01-10-2001 05:28 PM If you agonize too much about life you'll never live it. IP: Logged
Lune12 Member	posted 01-10-2001 05:30 PM The border by Subagio Sastrowardojo We are always on the border Between victory and death; can no longer hesitate But must decide; Do we want freedom or servitude? Freedom means well-being and happiness. Respect for oneself And descendants. Or should we surrender To insult and meaninglessness? Death is better. Death is more glorious And more lasting than a thousand years Chained by regret. So we must stay on guard Penetrate the inner lanes of the city A pistol in our belt and bullets in our hand. (A man died this morning.) Life is a gamble and death is the only guarantee of our victory. Be firm. Uncertainty must not threaten The oppressed. The stakes are death. IP: Logged
parsell Member	posted 01-10-2001 05:40 PM quote: Originally posted by FutureMrs.Affleck: Sachet- I understand what you're saying, but I just don't understand how you learn to like something. I mean, isn't that like brainwashing, or like forcing you to like something just because others do? I may take mathematics, but that doesn't mean I've learned to like it. I still have a distaste for it. Education, in my humble opinion, is not necessarily something which results in your liking something else. Sure you become educated and learned about the subject, but that is not the same thing as liking it. There will always be different opinions about works of literature, just as there are different opinions about ideas in mathematics and other subjects. While I know that the critics who acclaim these works know more than I do, and I don't pretend to know as much, I don't see how one can allow literature to grow on oneself. Shouldn't you look at literature and formulate your own opinion? Ummm, is it cheating to say I agree with you both? I agree that education is best when it is based in participation. I also agree that you CAN research and discover why OTHER people laud certain works or creators over others. This research is an important part of the learning process. HOWEVER... it is also important to maintain your individuality and personal taste, otherwise you are only a photocopy of those you study (A point I think was well made in "Good Will Hunting"). As a teacher, I've come to believe that education begins when you educate the students about WHY they are studying in the first place. Here's what I tell my students... Good athletes practice. Why? Because without practice, your body is out of shape, your reflexes are slow, and your performance is sloppy. Good students study. Why? Because without study, your mind is out of shape, your mental reflexes are slow and your performance is sloppy. No, you don't have to LIKE everything you study, but you should learn to APPRECIATE why it's important to study this wide variety of subjects. School is a workout for your brain. No, you may not remember any algebra, and you may never use its formulas again, but you've put your brain through the process and developed the part of it that deals with that type of logic. And you will definitely use logic in the future (at least I pray that you do...). Just my two cents! parsell IP: Logged
Matt Is The Best Member	posted 01-10-2001 05:45 PM Sachet, I understand what you are trying to say, but I have to agree with FMA on this one. First of all, Lune 12, we're not agonizing about life to the point of never living it. If anything, (I'll speak for myself here), I've been through hell and back and I'm still going strong, learning to laugh more at things (of course, not people) rather than getting so discouraged that I find things hopeless. What I started off on this posting is right from the heart. For ten months I have had chronic 10 out of 10 pain on a pain scale of 1 to 10. I have lived with pain for ten months every second every minute every hour of every day the last ten months, but I've made it this far. Trust me, I could have "agonized" as you put it, but I didn't. I might have complained here and then as I do now regarding those poetic works and Catcher in the Rye, but trust me I've lived life and I know how to make the best of it. Without FMA and a few others I could never have even come to this point in the first place. I have peace now, and though I might certainly complain about works, you can rest assured I'm not agonizing and agonizing. I've lived life, both a hellish ten months and now when I'm starting to see the things I should be thankful for. I know I've lived life, and now I'm living it better than ever..... Anyway, Sachet (sorry to get off track from my conversation with you), I understand what you're saying, and I accept your view, but I disagree and I do so respectfully. Like FMA said, yes, in some minds these poets are great. We've even researched them ourselves in order to get a better grasp of who they were and why their reputation stands. But after doing extensive research and reading criticism after criticism, it comes time to form your own opinion. And as far as FMA and I are concerned, we don't care much for Dickenson's works or William Carlos William. I apologize if that offends those who think they were great. I accept those views, but I don't have to agree. I can learn to live with learning about those poets, but in the end, it comes down to how I feel about the works, and honestly, I don't see that much depth in the two verses posted by FMA. Of course that's just my opnion, but it's still worth something, at least to me. No matter how much criticism I read, yes I might over time learn to appreciate it more but that doesn't mean I have to like it. That would be forcing one's opinions on another and that's not democracy. And as for Catcher in the Rye, yes I can see some points in terms of how people feel it's has merit. But when you're told by the english teacher that it represents you and all of your classmates and that it has to, well then, I beg to differ otehrwise. I have never felt anywhere near Holden Caulfield and quite frankly I am glad of that. That is not to say that I am against all the so-called classics. I do happen to appreciate much more Nathaniel Hawthorne. I just do not happen to enjoy Dickenson, Williams, or Salinger. That is my preference, and you can disagree but I can't change my mind. IP: Logged
parsell Member	posted 01-10-2001 05:47 PM quote: Originally posted by Matt Is The Best: Fill in the blank with whatever comes to your mind first: Life...... I'll start... Life is so intertwined with difficulties that we sometimes lose sight of the glimmers of hope, however faint. But sometimes it is important to remember that only when it is dark enough, with pitch blackness surrounding you on all sides, can we truly see the stars. Then, having seen the few things that we do have, we become gradually more grateful for all that we do have. Here's an interesting entry I discovered in the dictionary a few years back... Living death n. A situation or period of time characterized by unremitting pain and suffering. I ended up making a short film using the latin Vivo Mortis as its title. My basic concept was that life today has become so fast and convoluted with material concerns, that we miss out on so much of what makes life worth living, namely relationships, the arts, liturature, music, theater,etc. So in a sense, the daily grind of work-for money-to pay bills IS living death! parsell IP: Logged
Matt Is The Best Member	posted 01-10-2001 05:53 PM Parsell, i certainly agree with your entry regarding life and how bogged down we sometimes get. I for one, within the past ten months, have really realized with the help of a few special people in my life that in spite of everything, there are these little things in life for which we need be grateful. Sometimes we get so bogged down by the big things that we forget about those, but they are there. And we must always remember them. For it is only in our darkest hour that we can look around and truly see the stars shining in the darkest, deepest sky. IP: Logged
parsell Member	posted 01-10-2001 05:58 PM quote: Originally posted by Matt Is The Best: Parsell, i certainly agree with your entry regarding life and how bogged down we sometimes get. I for one, within the past ten months, have really realized with the help of a few special people in my life that in spite of everything, there are these little things in life for which we need be grateful. Sometimes we get so bogged down by the big things that we forget about those, but they are there. And we must always remember them. For it is only in our darkest hour that we can look around and truly see the stars shining in the darkest, deepest sky. Thank you! I usually try to avoid posting in other people's topics because I don't want to intrude, but the beauty of your entry and the intelligence of the discussion compelled me to respond. I do hope I'm not intruding. I certainly hope you are finding relief for your vivo mortis. I hate to think of the agony you must be going through. I'm glad you've had such wonderful people to help you through this. Is there a happy ending in sight for you in the near future? IP: Logged
FutureMrs.Affleck Member	posted 01-10-2001 06:02 PM Thanks Matt, for your comment about this mini argument we are having. I completely agree with what you're saying, and I support your side. As much as I have to read criticism and research the opinions of critics because of papers and solid background information, I still do not agree with them about certain works. You know how they say one man's loss is another man's treasure (or something along those lines), well I don't see treasure in these works. As a fellow writer, I give them respect where it's due, but no more than that. I think the different genres of writing are what make literature interesting, and I think differences in opinion and therefore preferences for certain styles of writing are a plus for literature as a whole, not a minus. IP: Logged
Matt Is The Best Member	posted 01-10-2001 06:05 PM Parsell, No, have no fear, you are not intruding. Rather, I respect what you have to say, and respect both how civilly you have placed your opinion regarding the education matters that crept up and also how beautifully you spoke with regards to life, its moments of darkness, and its lesser, but more gleaming and brighter moments of light. So please, you are never intruding. That's what is so great usually about these posts. You can get opinions from everyone, all sorts of people, and I welcome that. Secondly, regarding my "vivo mortis" , these past ten months have been quite difficult, there is no way around that, and it hasn't always been easy for me honestly. School has been the most difficult because mostly I find that aside from FMA and a few others, no one my age understands me, and then there are the teachers who either say stupid things that they don't mean to be stupid but say because they don't know what else to say (i.e. "Are we WELL yet?" when the problem is chronic) or they actually intend to be mean and do so quite cruelly (i.e. one teacher told me upon my return to school that I might as well die because there was no point to living "diseased" as he put it)...... Anyway, it hasn't been easy. Far from it, as a matter of fact, but I have learned how to handle my situation better, and I have grown as a person as a result. Mostly, I find those who don't understand. But I will be forever grateful for those select few, because they have touched my heart once, and in doing so, touched it forever. IP: Logged
parsell Member	posted 01-10-2001 06:12 PM Thank you for your kind words. I'm not sure of your age, but whatever it is, you are certainly a wise individual, most likely wiser than your years, but most definitely wiser than the teachers you mention. Now, being a teacher myself, I must say, where in the $#@! do you go to school! I cannot fathom how any person bearing the title "Teacher" can be educating so poorly. Yes, poorly, because teachers teach by example and the treatment you have reported is certainly a poor example being taught to you and all other students who are witness to this treatment. Some people ask what is wrong with the educational system today, and in this case, I must say it is the teachers! (Forgive the run-on sentence...I was over-wrought with the injustice of it!) [This message has been edited by parsell (edited 01-10-2001).] IP: Logged
Matt Is The Best Member	posted 01-10-2001 06:16 PM FMA, you couldn't have said it any better: <<<<One man's loss is another man's treasure>>>>>>> Concise, too the point, and perfect in terms of appeasing both sides of this argument, appeasing both sides through the use of the truth. Let's face it, people, we all have different opinions. In fact, every thing we comment on is based upon subjective thoughts and subjective beliefs.... not objective. Even those writing to this post and to any other thread do so because they feel they have something to contribute... again, yet another subjective belief. The point is, as you, FMA, state so eloquently, is that to each his own. Everyone has his own opinion, and true, while I respect the new literary forms that others tried out and their attempts and new creations, that doesn't mean I have to like them. I respect them for their ingenuity, but do I find them appealing? Not particularly. It's all a matter of personal taste. Like you said, "one man's treasure is another man's loss." And either way, which ever side of the path you fall on, there is no right or wrong. Because it all is opinion anyway. And opinion can't be wrong. It's just that: opinion IP: Logged
Matt Is The Best Member	posted 01-10-2001 06:24 PM Parsell, it is I who should thank you for your kindness..... For a long time I wrestled over how teachers could be so cruel and how people in general could be so cruel, how I was going to manage amidst all the intolerance, and what I could even say in response to all of their comments...... For a long while I was hurt and I was angry. Sometimes I still pains me when a teacher says something that they just don't think about. But then I remember the few teachers who showed me that not all have to be like that and for those I am eternally grateful. From them I learned that a teacher should be (and is often not, but in rare cases is) someone who cares not just about grades but about the students themselves. Someone who is empathetic. Someone who listens. And with their help, the help of that few, I learned to wash away most of my anger. And I think I learned to grow up even more than I had before in the process. You didn't know it when you said I was wise, but actually i'm just 17. Again I appreciate your consideration, and yet, I don't really think it was all me who became the way I am today. A lot of it had to do with those few that I became really close to, the few whom I learned to confide in and trust and rest in their arms when no words could come out.... It was they who truly made me stronger, who truly made me wiser. Certianly I still believe I have a ways to go, and yet, I certailny am a different person than what I was just one year ago. But you know what.... all things considered, that really isn't a bad thing after all. IP: Logged
parsell Member	posted 01-10-2001 06:33 PM quote: Originally posted by Matt Is The Best: You didn't know it when you said I was wise, but actually i'm just 17. Again I appreciate your consideration, and yet, I don't really think it was all me who became the way I am today. A lot of it had to do with those few that I became really close to, the few whom I learned to confide in and trust and rest in their arms when no words could come out.... It was they who truly made me stronger, who truly made me wiser. Certianly I still believe I have a ways to go, and yet, I certailny am a different person than what I was just one year ago. But you know what.... all things considered, that really isn't a bad thing after all. Well said! That reminds me of the statement "No man is an island." Although I do not agree with the statement "We are a product of our environment," I do believe we are influenced by our environment, or culture, or circumstances and most of all our relationships with others. It is through others that we learn about ourselves and the world around us. It is through others that we learn to accept and celebrate ourselves. And it is through others that we learn to do the same back. You'll find in life that it is people with weak relationships that are the most bitter and hardened people. (Not that this is neccessarily bad OR solely the fault of those people.) I could continue, but... I lecture enough during the day! I'm sure you get enough of that during the day as well... IP: Logged
Matt Is The Best Member	posted 01-10-2001 06:41 PM I totally agree.... You can learn so much about yourself through others, but I think it has to be at the right time and with the right people. Some people can just turn you away flat off... Others you might just not trust completely until you find yourself in a weak position. Some of the few that have become closest to me surprise me so much in that of all the people I knew at that time, I expected others to remain my by side and others not to. But of the few that did stay by me or come closer to me as a shoulder to lean on, I was entirely surprised by one or two individuals. But in the best of ways only, of course. Because I trust these few, they have led me along a path to find myself. But looking back, not just anyone could have done it. I think it takes a special person, a really special person, to go beyond their needs and to see your's, and in doing so, put aside everything they have at the moment, to see you through. A very special person indeed, a role not just anyone can fill and yet I wish more than anything else that others could do the same. I know I plan on doing the same when one of my friends or even someone I just know of, has a problem. The love that those few have shined on me only grows. I want to help others as they have helped me, and I oculdn't be any more thankful for them then I am right now. I will never forget... Not the sacrifices, not the love, not the warmth and compassion. And I never want to. IP: Logged
FutureMrs.Affleck Member	posted 01-10-2001 06:47 PM parsell, I'd like to thank you as well. Matt and I have always wondered whether we were overexaggerating what some of these teachers have said, or whether we have misinterpreted them, as many others in our school have implied. However, you have shown that the teachers, were in fact, way out of line. Thanks for trying to understand instead of being dismissive, it's hard to come across people like yourself these days. IP: Logged
FutureMrs.Affleck Member	posted 01-10-2001 06:50 PM I must also add that Matt is a very intelligent and caring person, and I am awed by her amazing strength and wonderful guidance. It's been a tough year, that's for sure, and I'm honored to know her and call her a friend. People like you, Matt, are one in a million. I hope you know that I appreciate our friendship greatly. IP: Logged
Sachet Member	posted 01-10-2001 06:55 PM Parsell, before I finish reading both Mrs. and Matt's responses, I just wanted to add my assurance that you are by no means intruding, especially given how respectfully you asked. Please, from my standpoint, too, you're most welcome! Ladies, when I finish reading, I'll be back to you. Thanks for playing, BTW! IP: Logged
JulieMallen Member	posted 01-10-2001 07:07 PM <<<LIfe IS...What you chose to make of it <<<LiFe iS...Like the weather always changing <<<LIFE...Can be a new begining everyday~ ;-) IP: Logged
FutureMrs.Affleck Member	posted 01-10-2001 07:09 PM Julie, very inspirational, as always . Sachet, I look forward to your educated and insightful input . IP: Logged
Sachet Member	posted 01-10-2001 07:27 PM Whoa, a lot of water flowed under this little boat while I was toiling away at work! Ok, I started off by piquing you. That was largely to guage your reaction and see if you were willing to discuss rather than, well, just react. I'm very pleased to see an former. It is an attitude required for any kind of learning or growing. At ANY age! Before returning to the discourse at hand, I will add to what Parsell said. The cruel remarks made to you, Matt, by teachers, were not only highly unprofessional, but quite unkind. One of the reasons I left teaching was because of the mediocracy I saw all around me. Most of the teachers I worked w/ were far more interested in perpetuating the status quo than in educating children. It turned my stomach and made me very sad. However, there are those few stars who are motivated for a different reason. Teaching is who they are, not something they do. They simply have to share the wonders that they've discovered, be they the language by which we communicate, the beauty and predictability of mathmatics, or the workings of the animal body. They're fascinated and fascinating. They're inspired and are inspiring. Those are our master teachers. I'm sure you've encountered one or two along the way. I certainly hope so! Now, to the question at hand. I'm going to play the role of "the teacher" if you don't mind. It's been awhile and I so enjoy it. So, humor me, if you will. (BTW, in case you didn't recognize it, "little gels" was from The Prime of Miss Jean Brody--a wonderful film that won Maggie Smith an academy award. Do watch it if you haven't already.) Here's a little story for you. I'd like you to tell me what you think it means, if you'd be so kind. There was once a monk who enjoyed the outdoors and nature. One day he was walking along a cliff, admiring the gently rolling waves that crashed upon the shoreline. It had been raining recently, and the ground was soft. Before he knew it, the monk slipped and tumbled over the cliff. Fortunately, there was a small ledge where he landed; he clung to a tiny tree growing out of the side of the cliff. While trying to gain a footing to climb back up, he heard an earth-shattering growl that made the little tree shake. He looked up and saw a tiger standing at the edge of the cliff. It licked it's lips in anticipation of a tasty dinner. He then looked down at the waves crashing against the rocks of the shore. The little tree began to pull out of the cliff, slowly, slowly. Just then he noticed a yellow flower, also growing out of the cliff. How bright and lovely it was! Ok, ladies. What is the message embedded within this tale? Who'd like to go first? [This message has been edited by Sachet (edited 01-10-2001).] IP: Logged
FutureMrs.Affleck Member	posted 01-10-2001 07:37 PM Hello again, Sachet. Well, I don't know if this is a correct interpretation of the story, but here I go all the same . By the way, in response to your comment about one or two wonderful teachers, yes, we sure do have one teacher who we(both Matt and I) admire greatly and respect, who really cares about students and their education (Matt you know who this is ). Ok, back to the little story. What I saw, the message I saw, is that sometimes we get so caught up in the greater picture of life and the problems in life that we forget about the beauty of the small things in life, the joy we can receive from the smallest things. Sometimes we must overlook the big struggles in life and just take time to respect the beauty of life and all its intricate details. That's what I saw in the story ! IP: Logged
parsell Member	posted 01-10-2001 07:39 PM quote: Originally posted by Sachet: Just then he noticed a yellow flower, also growing out of the cliff. How bright and lovely it was! Ok, ladies. What is the message embedded within this tale? Who'd like to go first? [This message has been edited by Sachet (edited 01-10-2001).] Key is in that last sentence I would say. Even faced with the fact that immediate death was an absolute certainty, he was still able to appreciate the beauty of life... How's that? IP: Logged
parsell Member	posted 01-10-2001 07:42 PM Well said, FMA! Are you sure you two are still in H.S.? A H.S. Teacher.... IP: Logged
Sachet Member	posted 01-10-2001 07:43 PM Parsell, I just had a sneaking suspicion that you'd want to play! Isn't it just the cat's meow when we can just do this like this? Anyone can take a turn, really. It's just a matter of who wants to play what role--right now! Matt, how about you? You want to weigh in? IP: Logged
parsell Member	posted 01-10-2001 07:46 PM quote: Originally posted by Sachet: Parsell, I just had a sneaking suspicion that you'd want to play! Isn't it just the cat's meow when we can just do this like this? Anyone can take a turn, really. It's just a matter of who wants to play what role--right now! Matt, how about you? You want to weigh in? I'm always ready to play!(Just don't tell that to my students...) parsell IP: Logged
parsell Member	posted 01-10-2001 07:49 PM You know, Sachet...I think I'm just gonna have to steal your story to use in class tomorrow... I teach art, so I think it'd be a great way for some of my less driven students to realize the importance of art in life... BTW, this is my round about way of thanking you for providing me with my philosophy lesson this week! IP: Logged
Sachet Member	posted 01-10-2001 08:00 PM Oh, no, I've got a MUCH better one for art! Do you happen to have a bank of windows in your classroom? If so, it works REALLY well that way but can be improvised, otherwise. Ask a student to volunteer for an experiment. Choose the "least motivated" student who volunteers. Assuming the windows, have him/her move to the far end of the bank and ask them to describe everything they can see. Then ask them to move to the middle of the bank and do the same thing. Ask them if there's anything that they could see before that they can't now and whether there's anything new they're seeing and didn't before. Ask questions if they need help (e.g., do you see any trees?) Have them move to the far end of the bank and repeat: "what do you see now? Anything new? Anything you saw before but don't now?" Then ask the whole class what changed. Ask if what was outside changed. They'll say no. Keep at them until someone says that what changed was the volunteer's PERSPECTIVE! I'm sure you can take it away from there in just about any direction you want! It's a good one. I used that one in my 7th grade class. Lots of "oooows" and "ahhhhhs," but then 7th graders are incredibly curious about how life and the world works. Other grades are more cynical. Hope this helped! Matt? Oh, Mattie, where are you? [This message has been edited by Sachet (edited 01-10-2001).] IP: Logged
parsell Member	posted 01-10-2001 08:08 PM I DO have some windows! This will be great to use! (although it probably wouldn't go over well in most H.S.'s I'm lucky enough to teach in a private H.S. with some great kids) I won't be able to use it until next year, though. We go over perspective and all the other elements of art in the first semester and do more creative projects and discuss philosophy of art (or life, whatever works!) in the second semester. But I will definitely use them both! IP: Logged
Sachet Member	posted 01-10-2001 08:17 PM I'm not talking perspective as in art perspective, but in how we look at the world. What we see and how we experience it is totally different depending on our perspective. Although I'm slightly giving the game away here, that's where I was coming from in the beginning of this thread. As we learn, grow, and experience more and more of life, our perspective changes and we're able to see new things and old ones in new ways. I also wrote this little ditty a few years back: "Wise is the man who seeks not new vistas to behold, but new eyes with which to view the familiar!" That's what I'm talking about: developing new "eyes" with which to see, and think, and feel, understand, and the whole range of human emotions and knowledge. And THAT'S what I meant about Dickinson and Williams! [This message has been edited by Sachet (edited 01-10-2001).] IP: Logged
JulieMallen Member	posted 01-10-2001 08:24 PM <<<<<<<Okay, I'll play! The monk had become distracted and no longer was standing on the solid foundation of his faith< Thus the soft ground Cirumsatnces...( shit happens) But as always when we fall or take a wrong turn Our loving merciful Creator makes provision for us to be safe< Thus the smallcliff and little tree to hold on to. As the monk tried to take back control on his own, he was met with more danger and fear< Thus the Tiger and the crashing waves. The yellow flower was his saving grace to get his eyes back on trusting God the Creator of all beauty such as the yellow flower~ ;-) IP: Logged
parsell Member	posted 01-10-2001 08:30 PM Yes, I'm sorry I didn't clarify...I want to use that one at the same time as when we are talking about actual visual perspective. By correllating the two, it's a wonderful way to blend philosophy and visual art. So I'll use that example at that time... Sorry I wasn't more clear! Me Do you have any more wonderful little gems I can share with my students? [This message has been edited by parsell (edited 01-10-2001).] IP: Logged

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