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louismyager Member	posted 04-03-2001 03:56 PM Let G be the name of the greatest set, the one that contains all sets. Let I be the name of the set that contains all sets who are not members of themselves. Then G satisfies two complementary logical conlusions: 1. G is a member of itself. and 2. G is not a member of itself. Hurray for Logic. IP: Logged
CDNFilm Member	posted 04-03-2001 04:00 PM What did we do to deserve THAT??? -e IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-03-2001 04:22 PM The Word, Set, is sortof a "fill in the blank" type word. Replace it with one more of your own liking, like group, project, deity, plan, way, ..... i'm not all that creative. IP: Logged
Mongoose of War Member	posted 04-03-2001 04:28 PM You practicing for yer LSATs or something? IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-03-2001 04:30 PM Words, cryptograms, mathematical symbols, all attempt to represent. Words are especially hazy in doing so. In reality land, a specific word has a somewhat different meaning for everyone, depending on a person's past experience with the word, and the context in which it is being used. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-03-2001 04:31 PM the bird is the word man... IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-03-2001 04:56 PM and then "the media IS the message" crap hits the fan. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-03-2001 04:58 PM The execution of Socrates IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-03-2001 07:54 PM so is light a wave or is it a particle? Well, it's like a wave and it's like a particle. What is an airplane? Well, it's like a bird and it's like a boat. It's along these lines that i say, "human understanding is poetic in nature". As this is word shop i say poetic but u can substitute as u like. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-03-2001 08:29 PM and it's I that we can't stand. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-04-2001 12:09 AM If I is a member of I, then I satisfies's I's condition that I is not a member of itself. On the other hand, if I is not a member of itself, then I satisfies I's condition to be a member of I, thus making I a member of I. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-04-2001 12:11 AM and don't even get me started about G. IP: Logged
cloudkick Member	posted 04-04-2001 12:19 AM im going but i need a little time i promised i would drown myself in mysticated wine... IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-04-2001 02:59 PM gigaload of angels seeking vacant pinhead IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-05-2001 02:43 PM personally, i think we are a result of the leak of inside information IP: Logged
dh Member	posted 04-05-2001 03:08 PM Either that or some projection from way out of the blue of something much greater in numbers of degrees of freedom than two... . . . I mean three. . . . Dammit! I mean four, though one of 'em is a cheat. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-05-2001 03:22 PM the intelligent atheist, i mean... cocktails for two? If u are a theist and i am not, does that make me an atheist? IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-05-2001 06:32 PM Cause and Effect is a fundamental principle of reason. Quantum Science recognizes the principle that the act of observation changes the state of that being observed. Perception is the change in the observer due to the observation lmy. Science therefore recognizes a quantum ring of cause and effect involving our experience and that which we experience. The line,author and play for.... "...more under the sun..." IP: Logged
Buick6 Member	posted 04-05-2001 06:43 PM quote: Originally posted by louismyager: Cause and Effect is a fundamental principle of reason. Quantum Science recognizes the principle that the act of observation changes the state of that being observed. Perception is the change in the observer due to the observation lmy. Science therefore recognizes a quantum ring of cause and effect involving our experience and that which we experience. The line,author and play for.... "...more under the sun..." Exactly. No one's yet built anything to replace the wheel. Or the electron microscope. IP: Logged
dh Member	posted 04-05-2001 08:10 PM Does this make any sense to you? \|Y> = a [\|+, 1>\|-, 2> + \|-, 1> \|+, 2>] IP: Logged
dh Member	posted 04-05-2001 08:11 PM quote: Originally posted by louismyager: the intelligent atheist, i mean... cocktails for two? If u are a theist and i am not, does that make me an atheist? No, you might harbor a maybe. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-05-2001 11:03 PM i'm full of maybes dh, but the last time i started talking like that they burned me at the stake, and then they hung me just to make sure. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-05-2001 11:15 PM Don't get me wrong. i have nothing against theists or theism, but i have a hard time with theocracy. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-05-2001 11:18 PM i'm sorta of the "imaginary friend" school. i figure it helps to have all the friends u can. IP: Logged
dh Member	posted 04-06-2001 01:54 PM Theocracies do spell trouble for free will, at least when viewed from a historical perspective. Good intentions ain't enough to guarantee noble outcomes, as is well known. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-06-2001 06:03 PM ...free will... dh a can of worms that will not turn regardless of the label. Religion and Psychology, now there's a made marriage. Psychology does not want to be tainted in the scientific community by the Science-Religion antipathy. Religion does not want to admit that theology has evolved to better suit the psychological needs of its practitioners. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-07-2001 11:35 AM i once did some preliminary "auditing" in Scientology. I can't talk about it though. Sorta like the Masons. They talk about something called an "engram", or is it "ingram"? They are like hot-buttons, which produce a reaction in a person, when pushed. I think we are more complex than that, but the concept is usefull. For example the statement "you are an animal" pushes many shades of buttons. There's a reason why at many polite gatherings the topics of religion and politics are taboo. The reason is because these topics contain so many hot buttons for people. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-07-2001 11:59 AM course, they can also produce some great dialog. IP: Logged
dh Member	posted 04-07-2001 02:56 PM Louis, religion and politics are hot potatos, third rails, lightning rods... motivators for warfare, verbal and real. I sense reserve in you about my use of the phrase 'free will.' Let me clarify within the context it was used: in theocracies past the powers that be mostly said believe this or die. So, on the surface of it, free will sometimes was simply a lie. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-07-2001 03:34 PM dh, au contraire mon ami, free will goes as deep as God, yet is closer to home for those of us who have one. As you introduced us, feel free to create an edge on the razor. IP: Logged
dh Member	posted 04-07-2001 08:43 PM quote: Originally posted by louismyager: dh, au contraire mon ami, free will goes as deep as God, yet is closer to home for those of us who have one. As you introduced us, feel free to create an edge on the razor. Take this: slash! Actually, Louis, you lost me with that last invitation. Please clarify. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-07-2001 09:31 PM One of the underlying fundamental metaphors of science is that of the machine. Everything is like a machine. This metaphor has been very successful in scientific attempts to organize, analyze, explain, understand, and predict. We are not just evolved animals to science, we are machines. But, just as in "an airplane is like a bird", no metaphor is perfect (hey, simile this). A machine pretty much does what it is designed to do, no questions asked, certainly no creative rebutals. But some of us are not comfortable being stuck in a hotel room in the town called Machine. We believe we are captains of our own ships. We believe we have free will, the power to create. Let me be the first to stand up and boldly say, "I am not a machine". IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-08-2001 03:30 AM Cloudkick, Buick6, and dh; i am astounded by your generosity. IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-08-2001 03:32 AM and of course i am the pinhead IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-08-2001 04:08 AM CDNfilm, to answer your question, "what did we do to deserve this?" How about 3247 replies to the most asinine thread on these boards. And Mongoose, did you call me a LAWYER when you grabbed my ass? IP: Logged
Buick6 Member	posted 04-08-2001 04:55 AM quote: Originally posted by louismyager: CDNfilm, to answer your question, "what did we do to deserve this?" How about 3247 replies to the most asinine thread on these boards. Nice try at a save. IP: Logged
psichick Member	posted 04-08-2001 06:16 AM quote: Originally posted by louismyager: so is light a wave or is it a particle? Well, it's like a wave and it's like a particle. What is an airplane? Well, it's like a bird and it's like a boat. It's along these lines that i say, "human understanding is poetic in nature". As this is word shop i say poetic but u can substitute as u like. You really wanna know? Light has recently been shown to actually be composed of matter!! It travels in a wave and is made of tiny, itsy bitsy, teeny weeny particles! As a matter of fact, scientists were recently able to stop light dead in its tracks and put it in a "holding pen" of sorts! Fascinating stuff! janet P.S. I shouldn't say this because all kinds of people will come down on me for saying something that has not yet been proven by science yet, but because of my research in metaphysics, where to an entity in whatever dimension they are currently in everything appears solid, has mass and appears to be matter, it is my belief that absolutely everything that exists (even those things we think of as energy on our 3rd dimensional world) are really made of matter that we cannot perceive because it is too fine (read too small) to detect using our measuring tools. I just realized I'm ranting on and on again! Sorry! IP: Logged
CDNFilm Member	posted 04-08-2001 10:30 AM quote: Originally posted by louismyager: CDNfilm, to answer your question, "what did we do to deserve this?" How about 3247 replies to the most asinine thread on these boards. And Mongoose, did you call me a LAWYER when you grabbed my ass? Good enough, louismyager. One word, though- RHETORICAL. -e IP: Logged
louismyager Member	posted 04-08-2001 10:56 AM yes psi, energy and matter equate by way of Einstein's E=mc^2 As for what light is, they have yet to solve the mathematics for a quantum theory of light. Yes, light appears to consist of quantum packets called photons when one type of experiment is done. Light appears to behave like waves under other types of experiments. But as for what light "really is", science remains mute. All science can do is organize the experimental data by way of metaphors which they call theories. Their theories are really just filing cabinets, with some great mathematics for predicting which folder the next set of experimental data will fall into. IP: Logged
dh Member	posted 04-08-2001 12:38 PM That the behaviour of light can be predicted to an astounding degree of precision, of accuracy, indicates that the phenomena is well understood. The filing cabinets or metaphors are not just made up constructions, they are tested concepts. Fascinating is the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics to characterize physical phenomena. IP: Logged

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