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yeddle Member	posted 04-04-2001 02:41 PM This thread is in honor of our worlds greatest classical musicians. My personal favorite is Sergey Rachmaninov & his second piano concerto. Though I appreciate & love the works of Tchaikousky,Schumann,Litsz,Schubert,Chopin, Bach,Bathoven ect... IP: Logged
slk445 Member	posted 04-04-2001 02:47 PM Tchaikousky Itzak Perlman plays Violin Concerto in D IP: Logged
yeddle Member	posted 04-04-2001 02:55 PM quote: Originally posted by slk445: Tchaikousky Itzak Perlman plays Violin Concerto in D Thanks SLK IP: Logged
gdaddyq Member	posted 04-04-2001 03:08 PM all classical music is great. last night, i saw the chicago symphony play rachmaninov's 1st piano concerto. it was great... they also played holst's, the planets... and this composer added a new movement... it wasn't very good. but, some of my favorite pieces: prokofiev's 2nd piano concerto, copland's 3rd symphony, mozart's requiem... the list goes on... IP: Logged
yeddle Member	posted 04-04-2001 03:51 PM quote: Originally posted by gdaddyq: all classical music is great. last night, i saw the chicago symphony play rachmaninov's 1st piano concerto. it was great... they also played holst's, the planets... and this composer added a new movement... it wasn't very good. but, some of my favorite pieces: prokofiev's 2nd piano concerto, copland's 3rd symphony, mozart's requiem... the list goes on... Well, by all means keep going IP: Logged
yeddle Member	posted 04-05-2001 10:18 AM Clair De Lune ~ by Debussy & I love Moonlight sonanta as well... IP: Logged
slk445 Member	posted 04-05-2001 10:20 AM ~~~JOHN WILLIAMS AT THE HOLLWOOD BOWL~~~ IP: Logged
gdaddyq Member	posted 04-05-2001 10:28 AM shostakovich - string quartet #8 is amazing... i hate moonlight sonata. really not a big beethoven fan but his best sonanta is op.53 in c major, 'the waldstein'... fun to play. IP: Logged
foofies Member	posted 04-05-2001 11:29 AM i like dvorak (sp?) vivaldi verdi all the ones you said. IP: Logged
maud Member	posted 04-05-2001 11:32 AM vivaldi is the best - it's light and happy! IP: Logged
FutureMrs.Affleck Member	posted 04-05-2001 11:47 AM Yay for yeddle! Thanks for making this thread! BTW, my favorite composer of all time is Chopin, but I love all classical music in general too ... IP: Logged
gdaddyq Member	posted 04-05-2001 12:01 PM charles ives 3rd symphony... samuel barber sonata... and his excursions for piano... and of course, my own 2nd symphony is genius. IP: Logged
yeddle Member	posted 04-05-2001 12:54 PM quote: Originally posted by FutureMrs.Affleck: Yay for yeddle! Thanks for making this thread! BTW, my favorite composer of all time is Chopin, but I love all classical music in general too ... Too bad he died so young IP: Logged
gdaddyq Member	posted 04-05-2001 01:31 PM oh, and i forgot bela bartok. he's the coolest. IP: Logged
Satire Member	posted 04-05-2001 03:26 PM Satire's Top Dozen 1. Rimsky-Korsakov's, Scheherazade 2. Beethoven's, Ninth Symphony 3. Mozart's, Piano Concerto No. 21 4. Rachmaninov's, Paganni Rhapsody 5. Prokofiev's, Romeo and Julliet 6 Haydn's, Trumpet Concerto, E flat Major 7. Moussorgsky's, Pictures at an Exhibition 8. Brahms', Symphony No. 4 9. Tchaikovsky's, Swan Lake 10 Vivaldi's, Four Seasons 11 Copland's, El Salon Mexico 12 Berloiz', Symphony Fantastique How about Opera? 1. Wagner's, Ring Cycle 2. Bizet's, Carmen 3. Puccini's, La Boheme 4. Verdi's, La Traviata 5. Wagner's, Flying Dutchman 6. Mussorgsky/Rimsky-Korsakov Boris Gudunov 7. Verdi's, Aida 8. Puccini's, Madama Butterfly 9. Wagner's, Lohengrin 10 Leoncavallo's, Pagliacci 11 Verdi's, Il Travatore 12 Puccini's, Tosca If I were on a desert Island, I would take this sample of some of my favorite classical music with me and think about all teh great music I still left at home. Satire [This message has been edited by Satire (edited 04-05-2001).] IP: Logged
Sombida Member	posted 04-05-2001 03:35 PM One of my favorites will always be Handel's Messiah. And the Four Season's by Vivaldi (?) Who did the old Peter and the Wolf? [This message has been edited by Sombida (edited 04-05-2001).] IP: Logged
gdaddyq Member	posted 04-05-2001 03:38 PM and ravel... i would love to perform his piano concerto in g major someday... and satire, as far as mozart's piano concerto's go, you have to listen to no. 25 (kv 503)... one of the all time greatest pieces ever... IP: Logged
gdaddyq Member	posted 04-05-2001 03:39 PM quote: Originally posted by Sombida: One of my favorites will always be Handel's Messiah. And the Four Season's by Vivaldi (?) Who did the old Peter and the Wolf? [This message has been edited by Sombida (edited 04-05-2001).] prokofiev did 'peter and the wolf'... i think i own a recording of everything he wrote... he's a genius... IP: Logged
gdaddyq Member	posted 04-05-2001 03:50 PM as for opera? wagner is too overblown and melodramatic... i prefer operas like debussy's 'pelleas et melisande', mozart's 'marriage of figaro' or even 'cosi fan tutti' which i think is a little underrated... and who could forget alban berg's 'wozzek'? IP: Logged
Satire Member	posted 04-05-2001 04:28 PM Hi gdaddyg: Although I have the Mozart CDs and have seen most all of Mozart's Operas I have trouble appreciating 18 century humor. "Cosi fan Tutti" was really light humor while "Marriage of Figero" presented a problem for the aristocracy in Austria because of the French Revolution. Again light humor without great arias is why I didn't include them in my top 12. The sextet in Figero is however, perfection. Compare for example the arias of the comedy "Barber of Seville," which I did include. Spectacular arias in a comedy format. To date the Mozart Opera I enjoyed most was "Don Giovanni" and I am scheduled to see "Idomeneo" in San Diego later this month. All the overtures to Mozart's Operas are fantastic however. I especially like Der Schauspieldirecktor. I have the CDs for "La Clemenza di Tito and "Die Entfuhrung aus Dem Serail" but as yet have not had an opportunity to see a live performance. There is about 350 operas out there, I would like to see them all. I see about 5 per year and I have been doing this for 11 years so I have put a dent in the quest. I also typically get a season tickets to the Symphony, the Padres and Chargers. Although I dropped teh Chargers for the past two years because I saw their disaster on the horizon. When it comes to Classical Music, I keep detailed records on the computer of every performance I have attended. By rights Bernstein's "West Side Story" is really an American Opera and should be included in my list, however it would only cause contraversey from those who think it is a musical. Maybe by the year 2050 Rogers and Hammerstein and other musical composers will be considered American Opera Composers. Man of La Mancha would also be considered one of my favorite operas. Satire. ] quote: Originally posted by gdaddyq: as for opera? wagner is too overblown and melodramatic... i prefer operas like debussy's 'pelleas et melisande', mozart's 'marriage of figaro' or even 'cosi fan tutti' which i think is a little underrated... and who could forget alban berg's 'wozzek'? [This message has been edited by Satire (edited 04-05-2001).] IP: Logged
Satire Member	posted 04-05-2001 04:29 PM Hi gdaddyg: Sorry... I did not know this was posted twice. Satire. quote: Originally posted by gdaddyq: as for opera? wagner is too overblown and melodramatic... i prefer operas like debussy's 'pelleas et melisande', mozart's 'marriage of figaro' or even 'cosi fan tutti' which i think is a little underrated... and who could forget alban berg's 'wozzek'? [This message has been edited by Satire (edited 04-05-2001).] IP: Logged
francescoassisi Member	posted 04-05-2001 07:23 PM I've been overdosing on Verdi's opera Il Trovatore, as sung by Franco Corelli, Leontyne Price, Ettore Bastianini and Giulietta Simionato, with the Vienna Philharmonic conducted by Herbert von Karajan (recorded live at the 1962 Salzburg Festival). I just a wrote a review of this extraordinary new re-release on Amazon.com (under the name Roger Denson). You can read it and hear some cuts on the link below. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000516SV/qid=986355771/sr=1-6/re f=sc_m_7/104-3959650-5499141 IP: Logged
gdaddyq Member	posted 04-05-2001 07:46 PM thanks fracesco, i'll check it out, i love karajan's interpretation of opera... i'm looking forward to seeing verdi's otello at chicago lyric this year (sir andrew davies will conduct since herbert is dead). and satire, i have to admit that, as a musician, the libretto ranks pretty far below lyricism, orchestration and other technical aspects. and although i respect wagner's talents as an orchestrator, sometimes it's just so... what's the word... schmaltzy? but i agree with you on 'the impresario' and 'west side story'... unfortunately bernstein never got to write as much as he wanted.. he was an incredible conductor and composer. IP: Logged
Mystiquepearl Member	posted 04-05-2001 10:53 PM This is a great thread. I have to go with Rachmaninov, especially his Second Piano Concerto - I love the use of it during the "Brief Encounter" movie. Also, his Paganini Themes. I like more, but too much to mention here. Mp IP: Logged
ARTRA Member	posted 04-05-2001 11:03 PM Favorite? That's a tough one because I have favorite music for different moods. But, here goes: Beethoven's 9th., of course. And his 5th. Piano Concerto. And his two 'Romances For Violin (probably the most beautiful music ever written for the violin). Rachmaninoff's 'Rhapsody On A Theme Of Paganini' and his Choral Symphony 'The Bells', based on Poe's 'The Bells. Mahler's 1st. and 4th. and 9th. Symphonies. The 1st. still amazes me even after hearing it dozens of times. Stravinsky's 'The Firebird' suite. Liszt? Oh, God yes! The 'Mephisto Waltz No. 1' through No. 3', the 'Hungarian Rhapsodies', 'Funerailles', 'Les Preludes' and 'Lucia di Lammermoor'. Mendelssohn's 'Violin Concerto'. Smetana's 'Die Moldau'. And Mussorgsky's 'Pictures From An Exhibition' - as scored by Ravel. And most opera except Wagner. [This message has been edited by ARTRA (edited 04-05-2001).] IP: Logged
ARTRA Member	posted 04-05-2001 11:08 PM And Mozart's 21st. Piano. IP: Logged
foofies Member	posted 04-06-2001 06:32 AM Bach is great during crappy weather. Especially the creepy organ pieces. IP: Logged
Lune12 Member	posted 04-06-2001 06:39 AM I've always been partial to the Rach (Rachmaninov). Shubert, Chopin for piano...and (love or hate him) Wagner. IP: Logged
Lune12 Member	posted 04-06-2001 06:43 AM quote: Originally posted by foofies: Bach is great during crappy weather. Especially the creepy organ pieces. So true. Bach also heavily reminds me of church. Also for rainiy days Debussey is kinda watery-impressionistic. Pat Metheny's Still Life Talking is also awesome for long-distance driving in rainy weather. But that's gettng off topic a bit... IP: Logged
Satire Member	posted 04-06-2001 08:15 AM For those that are interested, I have written two Screenplays on Classical Music and would be happy to get your reviews on either or both by e-mail. _____________________________________________ "BUMBLE BEE" (Classical Music Drama) A true story of the "Russian Five" known as the "Mighty Kuchka", and how they evolved into bringing pure Russian music into the musical world dominated for hundreds of years by the Europeans. The talented Rimsky-Korsakov takes us through this story until modern times where Russian Composers have successfully found their place among the great musical artists of all time. The time frame is 1860 to 1908, with scenery and costumes reminiscent of the movies "Doctor Zhivago" and "Around the World in Eighty Days" The action takes us to some of the worlds most scenic cities, New York, Rio de Janerio, Istanbul, Venice, London, Vienna, Paris, Moscow and St. Petersburg. A drama of love, music, family, friendships, disappointments and success. _____________________________________________ "THE SWAN'' (Drama of a Despicable Genius) The dichotomy of a bigot with many prejudices capable of creating the most sublime music of his day. King Ludwig II of Bavaria had to reconcile with Richard Wagner's deceit, despicable conduct and anti-Semitism which he did not condone yet he could not resist supporting Wagner in the creation his beautiful music. A true story of poverty, intrigue, escape, deceit, extravagance, romance, murder and ultimately world fame. -------------------------------------------- I do notice from the posts above some hostility toward Richard Wagner and I am sure for good reason as he was a bigot of the first order. It also took me quite awhile to appreciate the bombastic Wagner after the serene music of Puccini, but once I got hooked I was hooked for good. The man with all his faults has made a major contribution to Classical Music. Rimsky-Korsakov by comparason is his antithesis in personality yet his contemporary in music. Takes about 1 1/2 hrs. to read each. I gave screenwriting a one year shot writing seven screenplays in the year 2000. This is my marketing year. Maybe I will get lucky. Satire. IP: Logged
Satire Member	posted 04-06-2001 08:27 AM Hi Sombida: I would have to agree. Handle's Messiah is pure genius. Mozart tried and also succeeded with "Exsulante, jubilante", if you have not heard make sure you do. It is as good as Handel's Hallelujah! I guess the problem is there is just too much great Classical Music. Satire. quote: Originally posted by Sombida: One of my favorites will always be Handel's Messiah. And the Four Season's by Vivaldi (?) Who did the old Peter and the Wolf? [This message has been edited by Sombida (edited 04-05-2001).] IP: Logged
gdaddyq Member	posted 04-06-2001 08:31 AM i think i'm the only who has shown any hostility toward wagner.. i would get into debates all the time in college, especially with horn players, about the man. last year, i wrote a one act play that was produced here called 'wagner in a video store'... i read quite a bit about him before i wrote it, just some ridiculous absurdist thing about wagner and his jewish laywer trying to find something to rent... in the end, beethoven comes out of the porn section.. but i digress. my point is, is that i found i learned more from those composers who were more subtle in their expression (the french school like milhaud and poulenc, and mostly 20th american composers), and wagner is anything but subtle. but my preferences tend to lean toward composers and pieces from which i learn a great deal. what makes you like or dislike a particular composition? IP: Logged
Figment Member	posted 04-06-2001 08:44 AM I must admit that I still am not very learn-ed on the actual names of composers and mating them to what they have written... So, my current favorite is Beethoven, especially Ode To Joy. Anytime I am in a raunchy mood, it just lifts my spirits. I absolutely loved Immortal Beloved, although I'm told it is only based on semi-reality (like that hasn't been heard of in Hollywood!!). I played piano altogether for about 11 years and recently got married and have no piano. I miss it horribly!! IP: Logged
yeddle Member	posted 04-06-2001 12:07 PM I think Rubinstein performer Chopin very well. I also think Vladimir Ashkenazy plays Rachmaninov's second piano concerto rather well also. Anyone care to comment on these two performers? R~ IP: Logged
gdaddyq Member	posted 04-06-2001 01:31 PM quote: Originally posted by yeddle: I think Rubinstein performer Chopin very well. I also think Vladimir Ashkenazy plays Rachmaninov's second piano concerto rather well also. Anyone care to comment on these two performers? R~ it's funny you bring those two up because one of my piano professors compared those two rather disparate performers. she said that while ashkenazy possessed technical brilliance, rubenstien expressed so much more through his playing. i think it just depends on what the performer is playing... for example, i find pletnev's prokofiev doesn't compare to his scriabin (besides, richter is the man when it comes to prokofiev). but a performer has to be comfortable playing. i don't think gould ever took on too many of the big romantics like liszt or rachmaninov, he stayed within the realm of his genius which was his precision interpreting bach, mozart and webern and shoenberg... the more airy, sparse types of music. IP: Logged
yeddle Member	posted 04-06-2001 01:52 PM God I love this thread... Your completely correct in my eyes, though they are different in style they are two that stand out in my mind. Keep in mind I lisen by ear only,I have no true knowledge as I do not play or have any formal education in music. I remember crying when Rubenstein finally went back home to Russia before he died. I agree with your instructor. Thanks for your take on these two very different performers. IP: Logged
Satire Member	posted 04-06-2001 03:49 PM Hi Francescoassisi: I read your two reviews and find them thought provoking. I guess Leontyre Price owns the role in Il Travatore as her best role ever. Maria Callas owns so many roles that I believe she even gave her ear rings to Leonette for her performance in this great opera. Your review of Turandot leaves me with the message that "the liasion is ominous" which of course is subtle but is really there if we think about it. My recordings of these operas are a lot newer and probably not as good as these classics with Corelli et al. Beautiful reviews. Satire. quote: Originally posted by francescoassisi: I've been overdosing on Verdi's opera Il Trovatore, as sung by Franco Corelli, Leontyne Price, Ettore Bastianini and Giulietta Simionato, with the Vienna Philharmonic conducted by Herbert von Karajan (recorded live at the 1962 Salzburg Festival). I just a wrote a review of this extraordinary new re-release on Amazon.com (under the name Roger Denson). You can read it and hear some cuts on the link below. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000516SV/qid=986355771/sr=1-6/re f=sc_m_7/104-3959650-5499141 [This message has been edited by Satire (edited 04-07-2001).] IP: Logged
FutureMrs.Affleck Member	posted 04-06-2001 05:46 PM Rubinstein and Ashkenazy, both so brilliant! Horowitz, don't forget him!!! IP: Logged
ARTRA Member	posted 04-06-2001 06:51 PM I harbor no hostile feelings towards Wagner, although he may have been a pre-Nazi and certainly didn't care much for Jews. My not caring for his music is related to the music itself and based on personal taste. And they are two-fold: The first being the operas. Opera simply does not bod as well on my ears when sung in German. Be it written by Wagner or Mozart. Although I do listen to and love the neo-classical operas of Kurt Weill these do not grate like the over-blown, over-long Wagner symphonic tomes. And though some of his music is brilliant, Wagner seemed to hold to the belief that more is better. Never state it quickly when you can streach it out for two or three hours. Not that I would ever praise the non-music of a Phillip Glass, I simply start to lose, start to not care, what Wagner is expressing midway through. Again, just personal taste. IP: Logged
loislane Member	posted 04-06-2001 07:14 PM Bump for Clare de Lune, Puccini and Bartok. It's been awhile since I have gotten a chance to really enjoy the classics. Between the never-ending Beatles that my husband plays and the ongoing Blues Clues/Barney/Looney Tunes...I barely get a chance. I'm putting my foot down! Thanks for sharing Yeddle and Co. IP: Logged

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