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psichick Member	posted 04-16-2001 05:20 PM From STS-51. Watch for it at the upper right-hand corner: http://img.coasttocoastam.com/video/sts51ufo.avi Opinions, please! [This message has been edited by psichick (edited 04-16-2001).] IP: Logged
psichick Member	posted 04-16-2001 11:28 PM I posted this (from a different source) on the old UFO thread, but it fascinates me so much, I thought I'd post it again. I'd really like your opinion! janet IP: Logged
coyotesix Member	posted 04-16-2001 11:31 PM it is chunks of ice. you see, there is no depth perception in space... what looks like ufos that are far away, are only tiny particles of ice or dust, only a few feet away from the camera. i saw additional footage that proved this. IP: Logged
psichick Member	posted 04-16-2001 11:41 PM Where was the ice coming from, do you know? And, do you happen to know where I can see this footage? Thanks, c6! IP: Logged
coyotesix Member	posted 04-17-2001 12:01 AM i saw it on discovery science. ice accumulates all over the spacecraft. many chunks fall off and float along with the spacecraft. when you see the one take off, that is from a rocket thruster re-positioning the shuttle. you see, this happens all the time... but in the one program about ufos they only show you the one angle... i, as well, when i first saw the footage was completley convinced it was absolute proof of a ufo. i mean, how can an object just start taking off at lightning speed after there is an explosion, right? well...on science daily they explained this, interviewed astronauts, and showed additional footage that proved to me without a doubt, if you really look at it, those are particles of ice only a few feet away from the shuttle. they showed footage from several different missions and had very similar footage, but from a different angle, you can really tell... the ice floats, then takes off in another direction, like a bat out of hell, all that. but it does--in the first footage--look like two ufos, far away, are "attacking" another ufo, or that a missle was fired at it, and the ufo takes off in another direction... (this doesn't mean i don't absolutely believe there are ufos... there are even better examples of proof from mir, etc..., + all kinds of footage unexplained on earth... but that one was proven to be a trick of light and depth perception in space.) [This message has been edited by coyotesix (edited 04-17-2001).] IP: Logged
sk0ll Member	posted 04-17-2001 07:58 AM It was, in fact, a UFO... Until it was identified. In this case, ice. IP: Logged
frederickcleveland Member	posted 04-17-2001 08:36 AM I don't think it's a chunk of ice. First, it is round; ice would be irregular. Second, check out how the UFO takes a little dip as it passes the satellite. There are no winds up there to blow it that way. Calling it a piece of ice is rationalizing- it is still "unidentified". IP: Logged
sk0ll Member	posted 04-17-2001 08:53 AM Why would it be irregular? It's 240 below zero in the shade (like behind a spacecraft) and 240 above in the sun. Fluid in zero G forms a sphere. A liquid sphere goes into the shadow of a spacecraft, freezes, in a sphere shape, and rushes into the light at, oh, 17,000 miles an hour. You say it changes direction near the satellite (I couldn't get a picture with the link), I won't trouble you with gravitational fields, but could this satellite resently have fired an attitude thruster, or simply vented gas. This is not rationalizing. This is theorizing, which is what you are doing. But you seem to be going directly to the fantastic, before eliminanting the mundane, (and probable). IP: Logged
psichick Member	posted 04-17-2001 08:54 AM c6 - I see what you're saying and I did see a couple of UFO programs that showed the difference between how ice chunks look and act and how they do not act. If the jets had just been fired, why is nothing else in the frame moving? AND, if the jets had been fired, why is the ice coming TOWARD the craft? Further, it is ROUND, not flat, like all ice particles are. Also, when it first comes in, it is not reflecting much light and moves strangely (it dips downward, toward the craft, then jerks and darts in a semi-circlular motion up away from the craft, which is completely stopped - no jets fired, which can be determined by the satellite that the camera was focused on in the movie). Take another (or several) looks at it. I dunno, but it definitely doesn't act like ice particles I've seen on the various UFO programs I've watched. AND, even if there were another jet somewhere out of the frame, the ice particle should have travelled continuously in the same direction and not have dipped downward then up and around. Get what my logic here is? In order for the ice particle to change direction in space, there would have to be several forces moving it along that circular path. It is not possible for this circular-type motion to happen otherwise. This same argument was presented regarding that other footage you are talking about, c6, too. That footage shows "something" coming up from BENEATH Earth's CLOUD cover, miles below, which makes it huge, definitely NOT an ice particle. Further, when it shoots off (check also the timing between when the flash is seen and when that particular object moves off), you can tell that no jets are fired because the scenery doesn't change at all. There are 2 OTHER objects that also move off, and NOT AT THE SAME time, which, IF they were ice particles and the jets fired, they would all scatter AT THE SAME TIME. If the shuttle were turning, would not the view rotate? Yes, it would. Not only that, but the light flash (now NASA says this is from a jet being fired), LEAVES a TRAIL! I'm afraid jets don't do THAT, either. So, that footage shows genuine unidentifieds, too. My tentative conclusion is that both show unidentifieds. (I never say absolutely definite.) If you have more information, I'd be really interested to hear it. Thanks! janet IP: Logged
r_callicotte Member	posted 04-17-2001 08:58 AM It looks inserted into the AVI file. IP: Logged
psichick Member	posted 04-17-2001 11:52 AM If you are having problems accessing this video, try this method: go to: http://img.coasttocoastam.com/ then select gallery then click on UFO Images/Photos Go to page 2, then click on the picture with the caption: Space Shuttle - STS-51 IP: Logged
psichick Member	posted 04-18-2001 11:06 AM bumping for shuttle UFO fans IP: Logged
psichick Member	posted 04-19-2001 07:06 AM bumping for JulieM IP: Logged
psichick Member	posted 04-20-2001 10:18 AM Anyone else with an opinion? Did you read my arguments? IP: Logged

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