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Originally posted by Jimmy James:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by naseer:
[B]I totally agree with you on this subject. Those fucking assholes should never have a movie made about them. Besides I think that the only people who could make such a movie were the people inside the school. I highly doubt that they would want to do so.

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However, people should be able to write on whatever topic they chose to write about.

What if somebody had said, "I know some of you want to write about the Holocost, but..."

We would never have had Schindler's List or any other number of truly great movies.

It makes no sense to me when people try and tell other people what ideas they can and can not express.

For instance, do you remember the uproar over Ice T's "Cop Killer" song?

Nobody kept the Cure from recording "Killing an Arab".

And that song was based on a scene from a novel by Satre. (Which he was allowed to write.)

Once I read the lyrics to "cop killer", I thought, "wow, he has a point". I don't agree with his point, but it has validity, and he has a right to make it.

Let the judges and the public determine what they think is good, but let writers write on the subjects of their choice.

(And I do agree that this would seem to be a poor choice for a topic, and that it would be very difficult to write a compelling screenplay from it. But, perhaps somebody could juxtapose the malcontents in trench coats with the students of the school and the teachers who went through this to illustrate that being senselessly violent makes you a loser who is not worthy of respect.)

Or, perhaps, somebody wants to glorify the morons who went around shooting people. But it worked for Tarrentino in virtually every movie he ever made and for Oliver Stone in Natural Born Killers.

Not my cup of tea, but I'm not about to say that they don't have the right to make those movies.

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Originally posted by Jimmy James:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by naseer:
[B]I totally agree with you on this subject. Those fucking assholes should never have a movie made about them. Besides I think that the only people who could make such a movie were the people inside the school. I highly doubt that they would want to do so.

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Yes, let's just make happy movies with happy people doing happy things and some munchkins. I think you are missing the bigger picture here which is (without forgiving those who are guilty of murder) there are some interesting stories here on both sides, and those stories (along with a lot of other unpopular ones) deserve to be told.

Wouldn't we learn more about ourselves as a society if we learned, for example, how we could drive kids to feel so alienated and hateful that they would view this as an option? Or what the aftermath of this event is? Or what the pressure of High School does to people, popular and unpopular alike?

Not every movie can (or should) be about the guy in the white hat. Some of them are about they guy in the black hat because he has something to say.

If I were John McLaughlin I would scream WRONG! But I'm not, so I'll just point out the fact that while any movie being made about Columbine will probably tow the popular press party line (bad Satanic kids, kill good Christian kids), when it could be an opportunity to see youth (sub)culture in a whole new way.

In a sad way you're right, because nothing new will be told, instead we're gonna see another boring rehash of one dimensional good and evil characters rather than any spectrum of experience. That is really what my point about the bad guys was. I reccomend you see any of Penelope Spheris' or Alex Cox's films from the early 80s (e.g., Suburbia, Decline of Western Civilization, Repo Man, et al.), they handle the subject of anger and alienation really well.

Again, I'm not defending the killers, I'm just saying that if you think there's nothing to be learned from this (or any other story for that matter), it's because you've only seen it from one side and have quit looking.

BTW, your spelling gets further and further away from my name every time.

My $0.02,
Ilise

Now there's always a kid with anxst and a gun in a school throughout the year....but the media hype of Columbine INCREASED the incidents.

Of all the subjects out there violent; I think that made into a movie would DEFINATELY spark some twits' head to school with Daddy' unlocked Glock.

Think! FUck your pretencious notions of Screenplays and ideals and censorship: to have psycho teens seeing scenes of trenchcoats and laughter as they bomb and pop off rounds will only encourage more of the same. Go elsewhere, think elsewhere,

SpEND NO MORE TIME ON THIS subject.
Leave it dead.
Raise the Titantic, do NatBornKill Part Two, but don't go Columbine.

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Originally posted by willzthrill:
CONSIDER THIS: Three weeks after columbine there were 12 nationwide incidents of pre/teen youths walking into their schools with loaded guns. After the Hype died down, the incidents did.

Now there's always a kid with anxst and a gun in a school throughout the year....but the media hype of Columbine INCREASED the incidents.

Of all the subjects out there violent; I think that made into a movie would DEFINATELY spark some twits' head to school with Daddy' unlocked Glock.

Think! FUck your pretencious notions of Screenplays and ideals and censorship: to have psycho teens seeing scenes of trenchcoats and laughter as they bomb and pop off rounds will only encourage more of the same. Go elsewhere, think elsewhere,

SpEND NO MORE TIME ON THIS subject.
Leave it dead.
Raise the Titantic, do NatBornKill Part Two, but don't go Columbine.

And don't respond to my post. Leave it alone.

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I will drop my pretencious (sic) notions when you 1) abandon your "magic bullet" theory of media influence; 2) learn to spell correctly, read and comprehend throughly and respond accurately; and 3) stop suggesting that that anyone EVER produce a sequel to Titanic. That will cause me to go postal.

That's just my opinion...

I recall hearing in the news that someone wanted to write a book on the incident and the people involved are irrate. I'm sure there would be a great amount of litigation regardless of grounds.

But I agree with the first post that it is very exploitive and that the people trying to move find it more difficult when a thing like that could be out there (even if they don't read or watch it).

Your words ring so true.

Everyone here in Denver would applaud your sense of reasoning.

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Originally posted by glenn2000:
there are others involved in this tragedy besides harris and klebold. students who put their lives in danger to save others...the girl who died a martyr. the teacher who was killed. i'm not saying a movie SHOULD be made, but if one is...it is a very complex story. and if done well, it could be quite compelling.

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Originally posted by Steel_Linx:
You have a point and here's its hole.
If you tell the story from only one or even a couple of points of view then you're missing 90% of the big picture. Sure that's enough to make a movie. What the hell would it say to those people in the remaining 90% of reality. The picture is made of everyone involved and everything that transpired due to their actions. Good and bad, demonic and saintly it all plays a part in sum. So if you stereotype the "villians" and they only fill the role of cardboard cut-outs with guns or if you stereotype the "heros" and prop them up like billboards of virtue. Then who the hell are you going to wrong, take your pick. You want to know who the victims are?? Its us, cause we'll never see the whole picture. And if we can't see everything don't just show us something. Cause anything less of the 100% would be a fraud.

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A beautiful and well reasoned point.

Moreover, in response to the first quote, no one died a "martyr" -- that's a myth perpetuated by the religous right (which is neither), in order to pimp their cause in the media. And that myth can only serve to perpetuate our willful ignorance and over-simplfication of a complex story (just one of many).

The very idea of teenage martyrs is despicable, anyway. Can't we offer our children something better than social alienation OR religous indoctrination? Pathetic.