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Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-17-2000 04:46 PM
Ever hear the phrase, "No one hears your screams"? We all think we're good writers and we're just looking for an ear to listen. Hence the million and one posts on project greenlight alone. Tell me about your screenplay. I'm a struggling writer too. But I'm tired of the same old, "Read it, you won't regret it." I've read 3 and I've only liked 1/4 of one. Tell me something about one you've read that isn't yours and restore my belief in other writers that aren't me. IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-17-2000 11:21 PM
I'm assuming that my reply to my own post pretty much says it all. Master of all I survey and that's not saying much. No one hears your screams. IP: Logged |
Lune12 Junior Member |
posted 10-18-2000 04:50 PM
Try "Love, Murder & Real Estate" and see what you think. It is my script, but I'd still be interested in your comments. I'd also be glad to review what you've written. Lune12 IP: Logged |
Diana Member |
posted 10-18-2000 04:55 PM
Like I've said, Valentine and The Quicke Brothers are really great. IP: Logged |
hollywood_bound Member |
posted 10-18-2000 05:23 PM
Read "broken".....very good. IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-18-2000 08:08 PM
Okay...I will try the "Quickie Brothers", "Love Murder and Real Estate" and "Broken." Remember, "25" that's mine. IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-18-2000 10:23 PM
Read "Love, Murder..." Couldn't find the others. Need more info, nothing turned up on the search. Love Murder - Read like Father Dowling Mysteries mixed with Agatha Christie. Complex plot. I think it would be a much better book. Criticism - Everyone seems to know too much. The exposition seems too informational. O Day seems to have it all figured out before there's an investigation. Mary seems to know more than she should also. It's almost make better sense if she were a maid (with as much as she knows, teaching at a Catholic school almost seems like the wrong occupation for a nosy old lady). Praises - Martin is a simpathetic character. It's good that you didn't give him time to brood or stew in his downward spiral. I like the piano stuff mixed with the Perry Como song. Nice touch bringing that back later in the story. Suggestion - I'd rewrite it. That's not to say that you need to change it drastically. The dialogue needs work. Maybe take some time to listen to people at a mall. Speech in drama is rhythm (that's something Neil Simon said). Work on your meter. And don't make your exposition too obvious by that I mean saying something like, "Hello, my brother whom I have not seen in ten years because we had a fight over who stole the cookies from the cookie jar." These are just my opinions. Take it for what it's worth. I think there is promise in the story. Keep working at it. [This message has been edited by Byj0ve (edited 10-19-2000).] IP: Logged |
meskey Member |
posted 10-18-2000 10:29 PM
That is great feedback for "love, murder..." We are serious about wanting that kind of review to refine our script. Won't try to pitch it directly, but here's our latest review from Lizzie Bordon, Director of "Working Girls"..seems like she missed the point a bit, but it is basically a thumbs up...
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JMan Member |
posted 10-18-2000 10:34 PM
byj0ve - I haven't done any promoting of my own script yet so I thought I would mention it here. I liked the integrity that you put into that review you just gave and I would be interested in what you would have to say about mine. It's called Baldwin. IP: Logged |
JMan Member |
posted 10-18-2000 10:35 PM
Read it if you get the time. I would love some honest constructive criticism to help me better it. IP: Logged |
Auggie Member |
posted 10-19-2000 11:35 AM
ByJ0ve, how many scripts have you read so far? Just curious. IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-19-2000 12:11 PM
Are you asking me about how many I've read just in the contest or in general? IP: Logged |
Auggie Member |
posted 10-19-2000 01:54 PM
Just for this contest? IP: Logged |
Dineson Junior Member |
posted 10-19-2000 04:42 PM
"Daybreaker", anyone? IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-19-2000 11:31 PM
I'm working on my 5th screenplay. Of course, I've just signed up to read Baldwin, but there have been no takers for mine. Someone read "25" Thanks. IP: Logged |
cschloemp Member |
posted 10-19-2000 11:56 PM
To respond to your initial post, there's plenty of the kind of positive, constructive feedback you're talking about going on in these boards. Just like the kind of review you gave earlier. Check out some of the script swap threads in the reviewers forum. It's easy to get lost in all the nonsense but there are several of us taking the reviewing seriously. Good luck! IP: Logged |
sketchyone Member |
posted 10-19-2000 11:58 PM
ByJOve...just thought I would let you know I am going to read your script as soon I read my last required one. It you are interested in reading a dark, twisted drama, check out my script, TRADE. You'll either love the dark side or think I am sick and wrong! ) IP: Logged |
Lune12 Junior Member |
posted 10-20-2000 06:37 AM
Thank you ByJove for confirming that my script is in the database AND readable. And I appreciate your review--yes I am a longtime reader of Agatha Christie novels and I have seen every episode of Columbo at least 6 or 7 times. I have already been making some changes along the lines you mentioned. And it's good to know you liked "Martin" as I radically changed his character and made him a pianist a month before submitting to Greenlight. So thank you and I will check out "25". Lune12. IP: Logged |
Lune12 Junior Member |
posted 10-20-2000 07:24 AM
I had a thought on dialogue that might be of some value. A few years back I wrote and directed and independent short 16mm film and one of the most proiminent learning points/weaknesses was that subtle dialogue shrinks and becomes invisible in an inde film. Multiple takes and extra close-ups to capture facial nuances are EXPENSIVE. (Film stock is expensive, and moving the camera and re-shooting increases the number of production days for an un-paid crew who'd rather be partying.) After watching my finished short, it was much more bland (i.e. boring & plotless, as many inde films are..) than it was on the pages of the script. One solution is to make the dialogue explicit and bold. (Of course it also helps to have a budget beyond $6000 and a history of directing experience.) I can't help but think directors who read our scripts are aware of the clarity that punchy dialogue brings to a story. Dialogue is only one element, but I do tend to like intense and dramatic exchanges--and plots. I think it comes off better in the finished feature. And I have see A LOT of blazee Euro films where everyone looked great, but the subtlty ended up flat. [This message has been edited by Lune12 (edited 10-20-2000).] IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-20-2000 07:59 AM
Hey Lune12...interesting point. Since my background is from the theatre, most of the advancement (plot to plot, scene to scene or moment to moment) can only happen from dialogue. But you make a good point about the difference from page to film. It's probably the same from stage to film. Not everything will work the same way for all things. I appreciate you pointing that out. You're absolutely right. IP: Logged |
2Questionable Member |
posted 10-20-2000 01:29 PM
I read a really funny screenplay that had a Kevin Smith thread - The Video Store Murders. It was entertaining and well paced. There were a few hiccups, but overall, a fun read. If you get bogged down in dramas/mysteries, you might want to try it as a brain clenser. Of course, if you didn't like any Kevin Smith flicks (mixed with a little Kevin Williamson flicks), then stay away from it. I reviewed it for my mandatory and was pleasantly surprised by it. Happy reading - I hope you recycle all that script paper when you're done printing them out to read/review. I currently have an image of a poor hand reaching out from under about 3 tons of script pages... IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-20-2000 05:05 PM
Baldwin I have to start out by saying that this story started out very similar to the one I submitted...but it ends nothing like mine. Just goes to show that there can only be so many plots out there. Anyway, first of all...It was a fast read. I think that there were many parts that were hurried. I would have liked to see the relationship between Crash and Angel develop a little slower. I almost felt like you were anxious to get to the good stuff. Criticism - the pacing is a little hurried. There were also some very funny jokes at the bar/club, BUT I didn't really follow how they fit into the rest of the story or even move the plot ahead (even though I'm always quick to laugh at midget jokes). Also, I didn't understand that Crash was all that unhappy and his decision to leave seems irrational. Maybe have him talk about that with Markus before he pulls the "dumb move." Praises - There were some very tender moments that worked between Angel and Crash. The way they introduced each other to their secret worlds of night time swimming and the barn rooftop stuff was nice. The comic relief of Oz and Davis was also good. "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern meet Vladamir and Estregon" to quote Kevin Smith. Suggestions - pay attention to details, you had your action description slip into the dialogue (which were obviously editing mistakes - hey we all do that). Take more time to develop the intial stuff with Angel and Crash. I think it will make for a better pay off. [This message has been edited by Byj0ve (edited 10-20-2000).] IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-21-2000 11:07 AM
Starting TRADE... IP: Logged |
StYrO Member |
posted 10-21-2000 11:10 AM
~~~ MENTALLY UNSTABLE ~~~,~'~ .. . <@ Length: 99pages Genre: Suspense/Horror/Phsycological Thriller My story: I wrote this in less than three weeks, specially for the contest. Plot: ARENA is five years old, the epitome of innocence. She lives in an apartment with her mother. One night Arena's mother is KILLED, the murderer unknown. Arena lives with the body for over a week. She grows into a teenager, wreckless and defiant. After her grandmother dies, she lives on the streets of Miami, her MIND slowly deteriorating. She sees creatures and meets the FREAKIEST people... But all is not bad, she buys a MONKEY. You'll be suprised, this one is very unpredictable. The ending is so twisted, you'll hide under your bed and cry for three days, regretting you had even glanced at it. IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-21-2000 06:51 PM
Mentally Unstable Although, I love monkeys...I love the sun too much to hide under my bed. [This message has been edited by Byj0ve (edited 10-21-2000).] IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-21-2000 07:02 PM
After Trade...Video Store Murders... IP: Logged |
sketchyone Member |
posted 10-21-2000 10:49 PM
Oh lordy......ByJOve.....hope you like the dark side. I am really very excited to see your thoughts. I was lucky enough to bump into a poster on here who had just finished reviewing my script. It was one of his mandatories...so i wonder if that was one of my 3 rated ones (counting towrds my points)..i hope so, cause he liked it...LOL Happy Reading!!!!! IP: Logged |
sketchyone Member |
posted 10-21-2000 11:15 PM
Just finished reading '25'. Here goes. When I first started it, and got to the scene at the '800 building', I wasn't sure if I was going to like it or not. Vincent and the other guys came off so strong to me initially, I wondered if it would be possible to sustain their personalities and stay true to their characters the entire way though. You indeed stayed true to your characters. Your character colorization and development are great. I did have a slight problem with Jay though, as often times to me he seemed to be there just so that Vincent would have someone to bounce off of, rather then have input and a voice of his own. He is the only character that I had any issue with. Pamela was a great, great character. Her time on screen will not be much, but every minute she is there, she is engaging and entertaining, a true supporting character. The writing is sharp in how the characters paths cross fluidly and realistically. I had a wee bit of a problem with the ending though when Austin and Jessica 'hooked up'. Austin was such a real, tangible character in that he was in pain, and acted out, dealing with that pain. His immaturity at times and his grief at times and how he dealt with those things were great, but I didn't think he would 'hook up' so quickly and neatly at the end with Jessica because there was no way that he was over Shelly yet. I don't think he would have been open and ready for that yet. Otherwise, I really enjoyed your story. I have to say, I find it funny that, all three of my mandatory reads were stories that had very detailed and incredibly elaborate settings, and twists and turns that didn't grab me. I think the writers were trying so hard to be creative and different, that they missed what is most important...interestings characters. Your script is a great example of how simple a plot can be, and the characters come jumping off the page. I wish it was one of my mandatories so that my review would have been included in your overall rating. Happy Reading!!!! and I am anxiously awaiting hearing what you have to say about TRADE!! IP: Logged |
meemee Junior Member |
posted 10-21-2000 11:27 PM
I've seen "Kevin Smith" mentioned in quite a few posts. This may be a stupid question but... I'm not exactly sure who he is. Can someone give me a clue? Thanks. [2Questionable: I read a really funny screenplay that had a Kevin Smith thread - The Video Store Murders.] IP: Logged |
Lune12 Junior Member |
posted 10-22-2000 08:34 AM
ByJOve, I have just downloaded 25 and will report back in a few days. IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-22-2000 08:37 PM
Trade Okay...I have to start out by saying that I hate you...for writing such a great freaking script. It was a page turner. The characters were very engaging and dark. I don't want to give anything away to those who may chose to read it so I will only make general comments. Criticism - you may have received this from others, but I felt there were too many flash backs (I could have done wihtout the ones with Matthew and Danny exchanging their stories about their past in the jacuzzi - I almost would have prefered to just hear them talk about it at different times in the story instead of all at once). That, I think was the only thing that was a minor speed bump in the story. That's not to say that the flash backs at the end weren't awesome. I had a hard time keeping up and those worked really really well. Sort of in a Usual Suspects, Suicide Kings kind of way. Praises - You have an awesome command of language (discription and dialogue). So much, in fact, that it truly kept my eyes glued to the paper (I even took the story with me to the grocery store to finish it). It was dark and entertaining. I can't say I liked the way it ended, but it made me think and that's good. My wife pointed out that it held similarities to that Michelle Pfiefer, John Malkovich, Glenn Close film that I won't mention just so other people can read your story and draw their own conclusions. I thoroughly enjoyed the read. I hope you received favor from those that read your script as a mandatory for the competition. If not, I'm certain that this silly competiton won't keep you from a successful writing career. Good luck. [This message has been edited by Byj0ve (edited 10-23-2000).] IP: Logged |
sketchyone Member |
posted 10-23-2000 11:29 AM
ByJOve.... Thanks for the awesome remarks. I really appreciate the support. Funny to me that you should mention the ending...it was an afterthought on my part to add that little quirk at the end, but is one of the most talked about moments of the script by those who read it. Whether they like it or hate it, it is something that makes people think about the story as a whole and makes them try to 're' figure everything out. So I guess for that, it is a good thing. After reading it, I am sure you understand my fears now that someone is going to read it and be offended by it, therefore grading it harshly, not because it is bad, but because they have personal issues with it.....so we will see!!! Again..thank you soooo much more the great comments!!! Made my day! Peace IP: Logged |
jedipir8 Junior Member |
posted 10-23-2000 12:25 PM
Byj0ve, glad to hear you'll add my script Fate Twisted to your list. As soon as i finish the script i'm reading now i'll read 25. Just a not to any star wars fans that read it (kind of a where's waldo) find the homage to Star Wars in the script, there are other suttle thing i put in it but you have to know me to catch them. IP: Logged |
Byj0ve Member |
posted 10-23-2000 12:56 PM
Well...so long as it's not smaller than two meters, I doubt I'll miss the subtle jokes. I'll just use my T-16 and see what happens. IP: Logged |
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