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nevets Member	posted 10-18-2000 08:23 AM I hope that it will bring together storytellers of the new thread, of the next level of filmmaking. It's time to wash away that small portion of crap that soaks up the creativity in this business and break out with new talented filmmakers that wish to tell good stories not preach (SPIKE LEE) not make crap (BAY, EMERICH, DE BONT, WOO) and first and foremost entertain us. IP: Logged
Stiles Member	posted 10-18-2000 10:20 AM Well, I agree with you on a certain level. But you have to allow people to use film how they wish. Whether to preach or to make 'pretty' pictures that don't really have well crafted stories. Bay, Emerich, De Bont and Woo have made great movies, I think. John Woo is one of the all time great action directors, I think. Especially his old stuff. I'm not too thrilled with his new stuff, but coming to America must have done that to him. There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with Hard Boiled. People try. I think that the majority of us don't understand fully what problems these directors face. One big problem would be compromise. Woo had to deal with quite a large ego (Cruise) making his last film. De Bont dealt with a story that shouldn't have been made into a film (Haunting). Emerich (I didn't see Patriot) gambled heavily with Godzilla, but hit SO hard on ID4, deservedly. And Bay, I think Bay does what he's told to do. Bad Boys, eh, Armageddon I enjoyed completely. Very entertaining. Daylight, cough cough, ahem. I don't think these individuals are really soaking up the creativity in the business. I honestly think they're taking what's left of the creativity. I don't think that they get the cream of the crop. The cream gets made by accident. Or it becomes something that wasn't. The truth is, we still go and see the films. I know I do. I like all movies. I think (think, mind you) that it was Billy Wilder who would go to as many movies as possible, and after each film, regardless of whether it was good or bad, would clap. Because he knew how hard it was to get a film made. That holds true today, more than ever. Good luck. IP: Logged
Rune Junior Member	posted 10-18-2000 12:06 PM nevets- What kind of storytelling do you mean? There are so many kinds of stories to tell. There are many people out there who think soem stories are better than others. Personally, every story I write is an effort to teach something that I believ needs to be learned or at least thought of. I want my stories to be provoke emotion and thought from my audience, as well as entertain. Do you agree? IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-18-2000 12:47 PM Stiles, Very well said. Opinions vary yes, but good story doesn't. Grabing hold of an audience with good action or drama or fear, all these can be done without treating us as if we are stupid as: Bay, Woo, Emerich have done. As far as the problems of a director, I know, I am one. I have directed three low budget, big cast digital films and it can be done right. When I went to see "Freqency" I was taken away from real life for two hours -- that's cimema. When I saw "Matrix" I was pissed for two hours becasue I could have taken what was a good idea and actually made it into a great film and not the pretty poor storytelling it became. IP: Logged
booth Junior Member	posted 10-18-2000 03:47 PM I agree with nevets. But you forgot about these waists of film stock: "The Lost World" "Godzilla" "The Pefect Storm" Blair Witch!!!!!!!!" Please help us bring the entertainment back to entertainment. IP: Logged
2Questionable Member	posted 10-19-2000 02:36 PM It's time Hollywood brought "art" back to the art of filmmaking. Yes, you can make money of off films and that isn't horrible. But that isn't what the medium was originally designed for - it was created for expression and was actually a format designed by artists from other mediums such as photography and painting. Expressionism is the best part of film, and if a film makes us feel something while watching it, then the maker has made us express an emotion. What could be better than feeling like you've experienced a work of art? IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-19-2000 06:04 PM You said it!!!!!!!!! IP: Logged
2Questionable Member	posted 10-20-2000 09:26 AM Thank you, Nevets! Now, can you go tell Hollywood what a great idea that all would be? ; ) IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-20-2000 10:46 AM Def ears my friend, def ears. Well not really, I tend to be very jadded sometimes when I see a film I know I could have done better. And I don't speak from my ass but from experience in directing countless no-budget films. IP: Logged
2Questionable Member	posted 10-20-2000 01:07 PM But were the no-budget films at least "art"? Ah, now that must be the million dollar question - and if you win thes contest, then you'll get the million dollar budget! ; ) IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-20-2000 06:49 PM [QUOTE]Originally posted by 2Questionable: [B]But were the no-budget films at least "art"? ART? I don't see filmmaking as art though I understand most do, and that's good. ENTERTAINMENT must come first. We as storytellers must entertain our viewers by the scare, the sex, the action, the tears -- and we must not preach in doing so. We can call our work anything we want, but we must entertain first, and then we can infuse our stories with the ART or the MESSAGE. So my no-budget movies were not ART as you might say, but they did entertain the viewer without treating the viewer as idiot. IP: Logged
StYrO Member	posted 10-20-2000 07:25 PM The best films, In my opinion, are the ones that are both commercial and artistic, appealing to both perspecttives of audiences. A film that is too artistic can be boring and opinionated. One that is too commercial would have no heart, no emotion, and it always seems as if the filmmakers took a sh*t and used the dirty toilet paper as a script. A good example of a filmmaker who is both commercial and artistic is Luc Besson (The Professional, The Big Blue, The Fifth Element[my fav.]) IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-21-2000 08:10 AM skip [This message has been edited by nevets (edited 10-22-2000).] IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-21-2000 08:11 AM skip [This message has been edited by nevets (edited 10-22-2000).] IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-21-2000 09:17 AM skip [This message has been edited by nevets (edited 10-22-2000).] IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-21-2000 09:19 AM skip [This message has been edited by nevets (edited 10-22-2000).] IP: Logged
booth Junior Member	posted 10-21-2000 09:22 AM skip [This message has been edited by booth (edited 10-22-2000).] IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-21-2000 01:15 PM skip [This message has been edited by nevets (edited 10-22-2000).] IP: Logged
booth Junior Member	posted 10-21-2000 02:17 PM BESSON, BAY, WILLIAMSON, KOPP, are the problem. WEIR, PROYAS, CAMERON, RAIMI, are the cure. IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-22-2000 06:57 PM quote: Originally posted by StYrO: A good example of a filmmaker who is both commercial and artistic is Luc Besson (The Professional, The Big Blue, The Fifth Element[my fav.]) StYrO, I hate to do this but the FIFTH ELEMENT is one of the worst films ever made. 1. BAD STRUCTURE 2. STUPID CHARECTERS 3. BAD DIALOGUE 4. BAD PLOT 5. BAD EDITING 6. RIPPED FROM BLADE RUNNER 7. AND MOST OF ALL HORRIBLE DIRCETING LUC BESSON represents a big part of the problem in todays big budget films. The lack of the story & screenplay. SEE: HIGHLANDER, BLADE RUNNER, DARK CITY for true sci/fi, fantasy films. IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-22-2000 07:33 PM Originally posted by StYrO: A good example of a filmmaker who is both commercial and artistic is Luc Besson (The Professional, The Big Blue, The Fifth Element[my fav.]) StYrO, I hate to do this but the FIFTH ELEMENT is one of the worst films ever made. 1. BAD STRUCTURE 2. STUPID CHARECTERS 3. BAD DIALOGUE 4. BAD PLOT 5. BAD EDITING 6. RIPPED FROM BLADE RUNNER 7. AND MOST OF ALL HORRIBLE DIRCETING LUC BESSON represents a big part of the problem in todays big budget films. The lack of the story & screenplay. SEE: HIGHLANDER, BLADE RUNNER, DARK CITY for true sci/fi, fantasy films. IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-22-2000 07:38 PM quote: Originally posted by StYrO: A good example of a filmmaker who is both commercial and artistic is Luc Besson (The Professional, The Big Blue, The Fifth Element[my fav.]) StYrO, I hate to do this but the FIFTH ELEMENT is one of the worst films ever made. 1. BAD STRUCTURE 2. STUPID CHARECTERS 3. BAD DIALOGUE 4. BAD PLOT 5. BAD EDITING 6. RIPPED FROM BLADE RUNNER 7. AND MOST OF ALL HORRIBLE DIRCETING LUC BESSON represents a big part of the problem in todays big budget films. The lack of the story & screenplay. SEE: HIGHLANDER, BLADE RUNNER, DARK CITY for true sci/fi, fantasy films. IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-22-2000 07:42 PM JUST SAY GO. IP: Logged
rfcirillo Junior Member	posted 10-22-2000 08:08 PM Besson is one of the worst. IP: Logged
rfcirillo Junior Member	posted 10-22-2000 08:10 PM BESSON is one of the worst!!! IP: Logged
mongoose Junior Member	posted 10-22-2000 08:20 PM There are many quality films out there, you just have to know where to look. The big budget films? Yeah, they are recycled. But if you were putting 100 million dollars on the line, wouldn't you at least want to go with a tried and true formula. They must know what they are doing, because WE still go see these movies. Not all are bad, and I think it foolish to think every movie you see YOU could do better. That's the problem with most directors and Actors today; they think they know it all. I do agree that there should be a more creative outlet for getting more films out there, and as soon as someone thinks of one, I'm sure they will be muli millionaires. But I find it too easy, and to asinine, to go about blasting all directors and writers that are out there today. There are many writers in Hollywood, the entrenched variety, that could write many of us under the table. But you know what; it's about commercialism, and what sales and what doesn't. It takes a PULP FICTION, SEVEN, etc, to break the mold and show studios we aren't stupid, and enjoy movies of a different kind. THE USUAL SUSPECTS, they didn't want to make it cause they said it would make the audience THINK too much. Look what happened. We loved it. The industry comes around. We just need to keep writing. IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-22-2000 09:43 PM Sorry, but BESSON is one of the worst directors, and THE FIFTH ELEMENT is one of the worst films ever made. IP: Logged
nerdowell Junior Member	posted 10-23-2000 12:23 AM I agree with most of what you are saying, but film making is art. Movies are art. There is no argument that will destroy that one fact. But, I must say Spike Lee made one of the greatest unseen films ever made: He Got Game. He stopped preaching-as you say-and gave Denzel Washington one of the best roles he has ever had-a father in conflict with his son. And, the Fifth Element is one of the worst films ever made. I can definitely dig that. IP: Logged
jacqualynn Junior Member	posted 10-23-2000 07:20 AM I'd have to agree with nerdowell on this one. Film is art, or at least it can be. I don't find it to be any different from our symphonies or our canvases besides the fact that it is more easily exploited. Film is an expression of something, a story told in a series of images and words and sounds. The balance, the flow, the composition of those images, words and sounds is the creation of art. IP: Logged
nevets Member	posted 10-23-2000 08:53 AM BESSON is one of the worst. See my full responce under a new topic. RESPONCE TO: StYrO IP: Logged

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